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> <channel><title>Comments on: The Harsh Future Of Web Design?</title> <atom:link href="http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/</link> <description>Web Design &#38; Photoshop Inspiration</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:51:26 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-23370</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:40:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-23370</guid> <description>There&#039;s a difference from a design being functional, and a design being pretty.A big difference.Let whatever users that use spec work do it - they are working more than what they are getting paid unless they win, which is a usually pretty poor chance.  And let whatever businesses that want it use it, they get a variety of general and poor grade designs, which eventually likely lead to a loss in brand recognition.  I&#039;m willing to bet most of the companies that use spec work are likely to fail after their first year.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a difference from a design being functional, and a design being pretty.</p><p>A big difference.</p><p>Let whatever users that use spec work do it &#8211; they are working more than what they are getting paid unless they win, which is a usually pretty poor chance.  And let whatever businesses that want it use it, they get a variety of general and poor grade designs, which eventually likely lead to a loss in brand recognition.  I&#8217;m willing to bet most of the companies that use spec work are likely to fail after their first year.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Future of Web Design &#124; DollarDuel</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-21985</link> <dc:creator>The Future of Web Design &#124; DollarDuel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:23:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-21985</guid> <description>[...] Read the Rest of this Article at the Author&#8217;s Website  Similar PostsAbsynthe: A Free WordPress Theme [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read the Rest of this Article at the Author&#8217;s Website  Similar PostsAbsynthe: A Free WordPress Theme [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jara</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-21289</link> <dc:creator>jara</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:58:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-21289</guid> <description>nice article. thanx</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice article. thanx</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Becca</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-18638</link> <dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:58:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-18638</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know, I guess it depends on where you look.  For example, I just read an article the other day about fastest growing skills and demand for 2008 and I actually found the results quite encouraging.  It doesn&#039;t specifically touch on web design, but it does mention &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/01/top-growth-tech-skills-in-2008/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wordpress trends&lt;/a&gt;, and it shows that the demand for these skills has actually increased by 4 times since the previous year.  I think that&#039;s very encouraging, especially in this economy.I suppose either way we will just have to wait and see which way things go in 2009.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I guess it depends on where you look.  For example, I just read an article the other day about fastest growing skills and demand for 2008 and I actually found the results quite encouraging.  It doesn&#8217;t specifically touch on web design, but it does mention <a
href="http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/01/top-growth-tech-skills-in-2008/" rel="nofollow">wordpress trends</a>, and it shows that the demand for these skills has actually increased by 4 times since the previous year.  I think that&#8217;s very encouraging, especially in this economy.</p><p>I suppose either way we will just have to wait and see which way things go in 2009.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-18057</link> <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:43:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-18057</guid> <description>@joe, well put.
... nice come back from &quot;joe sixpack&quot;Most of my clients (like me) have a hard time keeping up with the latest trends, so to that extent I doubt they will exploit  spec sites, however, if they knew that it was available I might help them formulate the contest and assist in judging the winners or make changes to the final. At that point, what&#039;s to keep the client from awarding a winner? Not saying I would condone cheating my fellow designers, but where there is a way there will be a will.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joe, well put.<br
/> &#8230; nice come back from &#8220;joe sixpack&#8221;</p><p>Most of my clients (like me) have a hard time keeping up with the latest trends, so to that extent I doubt they will exploit  spec sites, however, if they knew that it was available I might help them formulate the contest and assist in judging the winners or make changes to the final. At that point, what&#8217;s to keep the client from awarding a winner? Not saying I would condone cheating my fellow designers, but where there is a way there will be a will.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ray</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-16808</link> <dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-16808</guid> <description>New / Fresh Designers although inexperienced, are usually in touch with the latest pop culture and charge less because it seems like &quot;fun&quot;. They also don&#039;t have a set style in which they do things and still trying to find an identity.Now if a professional chooses to stay fresh, up-to-date and not adhere to the same style they&#039;ve stagnated to - they&#039;d have a fighting chance of a.) Staying in direct competition with these new designers and b.) Offer advanced services i.e. upkeep, interactivity, stability, compatibility etc etc. and easily out-match the newbie in experience. The idea is to offer more value for what seems like a worthy enough price-up!I have hope! - I&#039;m not super experienced, but not new either. The idea is to stay ahead of the wave constantly with fresh ideas and continuously try to set new trends. Because if you ever &quot;follow&quot; - you&#039;re already &quot;behind&quot;. We will continue to fight the front and I will offer my services at my set price, and in my experience - they&#039;ve always come back, paying extra because this person&#039;s brother&#039;s niece takes forever to reply and is not as professional.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New / Fresh Designers although inexperienced, are usually in touch with the latest pop culture and charge less because it seems like &#8220;fun&#8221;. They also don&#8217;t have a set style in which they do things and still trying to find an identity.</p><p>Now if a professional chooses to stay fresh, up-to-date and not adhere to the same style they&#8217;ve stagnated to &#8211; they&#8217;d have a fighting chance of a.) Staying in direct competition with these new designers and b.) Offer advanced services i.e. upkeep, interactivity, stability, compatibility etc etc. and easily out-match the newbie in experience. The idea is to offer more value for what seems like a worthy enough price-up!</p><p>I have hope! &#8211; I&#8217;m not super experienced, but not new either. The idea is to stay ahead of the wave constantly with fresh ideas and continuously try to set new trends. Because if you ever &#8220;follow&#8221; &#8211; you&#8217;re already &#8220;behind&#8221;. We will continue to fight the front and I will offer my services at my set price, and in my experience &#8211; they&#8217;ve always come back, paying extra because this person&#8217;s brother&#8217;s niece takes forever to reply and is not as professional.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: oren Aks</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-16406</link> <dc:creator>oren Aks</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:55:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-16406</guid> <description>does anyone think Graphic Design will be affected further then it has after the early 90&#039;s?i mean by amateurs and by anything else...i mean typographers almost dissapeared from the planet after the computer was invented...i dont know so im askingplease let me know</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone think Graphic Design will be affected further then it has after the early 90&#8217;s?</p><p>i mean by amateurs and by anything else&#8230;</p><p>i mean typographers almost dissapeared from the planet after the computer was invented&#8230;</p><p>i dont know so im asking</p><p>please let me know</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ross Kimbarovsky</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-16395</link> <dc:creator>Ross Kimbarovsky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:40:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-16395</guid> <description>Matt - thanks so much for mentioning crowdSPRING. Let me first say that we don&#039;t shy away from discussing spec work. There are plenty of arguments why spec work is bad - and some are perfectly good arguments. We spent a great deal of time thinking about those arguments - especially as advanced by No!Spec and AIGA before we launched crowdSPRING in May 2008. And we believe that we&#039;ve introduced protections not available anywhere else. Recently, we had an opportunity to discuss spec work at length in the 37signals SVN blog: http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1253-the-nospec-campaign-vs-crowdspringI wanted to mention two things, generally. First, crowdSPRING operates very differently from other marketplaces. Among many other differences, we require escrow in all projects, we provide free customized legal agreements, we offer projects with full privacy and user control, we have rigorous intellectual property policies, and we work hard to enforce those policies. We&#039;ve built a community of over 10,000 creatives from 130+ countries in six months.Second - when we hear criticisms from other designers to spec work - we certainly respect those criticisms but we remind them that other industries, including music and copywriting, faced the same changes. Some feel threatened by increasing competition. But the industry&#039;s attitude is far more damaging to the industry than spec work. Here&#039;s what a friend had to say in response to the attitude reflected in some of the above comments:&quot;The NO!SPEC crowd want to prevent willing parties from engaging in commerce only because they fear that the resulting competition will hurt them. If they were secure in their own business model, they&#039;d not be concerned about others&#039;. They are just the latest incarnation of the &quot;You can work only if you are not part of the right guild/club/gang/race/ethnicity&quot; mobs so popular during every dying gasp of an artificially privileged minority. Grow up. Competition is here.&quot;The words are harsh - and I would not put it quite that way. But they do ring true.And let me ask those who&#039;ve contributed to this discussion. How do you feel about traditional marketplaces (elance, guru) where graphic design projects are awarded almost always based on the lowest bid, and where logo design projects are done for $25? My personal belief is that price competition - what you see on traditional marketplaces - does far more to cheapen the industry, but I am interested in what you think.Best,Ross Kimbarovsky
co-Founder
http://www.crowdspring.com</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; thanks so much for mentioning crowdSPRING. Let me first say that we don&#8217;t shy away from discussing spec work. There are plenty of arguments why spec work is bad &#8211; and some are perfectly good arguments. We spent a great deal of time thinking about those arguments &#8211; especially as advanced by No!Spec and AIGA before we launched crowdSPRING in May 2008. And we believe that we&#8217;ve introduced protections not available anywhere else. Recently, we had an opportunity to discuss spec work at length in the 37signals SVN blog: <a
href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1253-the-nospec-campaign-vs-crowdspring" rel="nofollow">http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1253-the-nospec-campaign-vs-crowdspring</a></p><p>I wanted to mention two things, generally. First, crowdSPRING operates very differently from other marketplaces. Among many other differences, we require escrow in all projects, we provide free customized legal agreements, we offer projects with full privacy and user control, we have rigorous intellectual property policies, and we work hard to enforce those policies. We&#8217;ve built a community of over 10,000 creatives from 130+ countries in six months.</p><p>Second &#8211; when we hear criticisms from other designers to spec work &#8211; we certainly respect those criticisms but we remind them that other industries, including music and copywriting, faced the same changes. Some feel threatened by increasing competition. But the industry&#8217;s attitude is far more damaging to the industry than spec work. Here&#8217;s what a friend had to say in response to the attitude reflected in some of the above comments:</p><p>&#8220;The NO!SPEC crowd want to prevent willing parties from engaging in commerce only because they fear that the resulting competition will hurt them. If they were secure in their own business model, they&#8217;d not be concerned about others&#8217;. They are just the latest incarnation of the &#8220;You can work only if you are not part of the right guild/club/gang/race/ethnicity&#8221; mobs so popular during every dying gasp of an artificially privileged minority. Grow up. Competition is here.&#8221;</p><p>The words are harsh &#8211; and I would not put it quite that way. But they do ring true.</p><p>And let me ask those who&#8217;ve contributed to this discussion. How do you feel about traditional marketplaces (elance, guru) where graphic design projects are awarded almost always based on the lowest bid, and where logo design projects are done for $25? My personal belief is that price competition &#8211; what you see on traditional marketplaces &#8211; does far more to cheapen the industry, but I am interested in what you think.</p><p>Best,</p><p>Ross Kimbarovsky<br
/> co-Founder<br
/> <a
href="http://www.crowdspring.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.crowdspring.com</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Arbenting’s Best of the Week (11/30 - 12/06) &#124; Arbenting</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-16356</link> <dc:creator>Arbenting’s Best of the Week (11/30 - 12/06) &#124; Arbenting</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:51:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-16356</guid> <description>[...] The Harsh Future of Web Design [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Harsh Future of Web Design [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe</title><link>http://elitebydesign.com/future-of-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-16250</link> <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:36:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://elitebydesign.com/?p=3248#comment-16250</guid> <description>@Any-one-wishing-to-make-a-living-from-design : If you don&#039;t charge clients for every minute of your time you will not work profitably and struggle to make real money. Don&#039;t even turn on your computer or get out your sketch pad until a client has agreed to pay you for what you do. The only thing you should do for a potential client before entering a contract is write a short tender document and a formal quotation with a brief breakdown of your intended time / resource allocation. If they do not agree to pay the quoted fee - don&#039;t design them anything. Its simple. If you are in need of work - go out into the real world and apporach a company with a limited or outdated web presence and sell your self. If you can&#039;t do that, go get some marketing experience.
I love the design community, really I do, but some parts of it need to stop spending their time obsessing over pretty blogs and learn to do business.
I think most experienced designer will agree with me.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Any-one-wishing-to-make-a-living-from-design : If you don&#8217;t charge clients for every minute of your time you will not work profitably and struggle to make real money. Don&#8217;t even turn on your computer or get out your sketch pad until a client has agreed to pay you for what you do. The only thing you should do for a potential client before entering a contract is write a short tender document and a formal quotation with a brief breakdown of your intended time / resource allocation. If they do not agree to pay the quoted fee &#8211; don&#8217;t design them anything. Its simple. If you are in need of work &#8211; go out into the real world and apporach a company with a limited or outdated web presence and sell your self. If you can&#8217;t do that, go get some marketing experience.<br
/> I love the design community, really I do, but some parts of it need to stop spending their time obsessing over pretty blogs and learn to do business.<br
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